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A rant
by missfrenchyUSA
Posted on 08 May 2009 | 3:33 pm 
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The Conservative for Patient Rights is running ads on major networks. While I am writing my first part of my series(which I hope to post tonight), I had to see that ridiculous ad where they use examples of Canadian “victims of socialized medicine”. FUCK YOU. Stop using my country as your platform against Health Reform. Go find better ways to have your say in the Health Reform debate without villefying my country’s healtch care system. GO FUCK YOURSELF
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Another petition to have your voices heard by the service union and several other good organizations.
http://www.capitolconnect.com/fairhealthcare/?gclid=CJev487ZrpoCFRUhnA odzAFocA
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Factoid: pharmacuedical companies spend the same on sales, marketing an commercials as they do on research which are bout about 20% of sales income.
There was a time when advertising perscription medications was not allowed. The fact is that was a good rule because the whole culture of advertising prescription drugs has escalated unneeded prescription use and drug costs.
The old system were you went to your doctor and they diagnosed you ailment and wrote you a prescription was working fine. Now because of advertising and an influx of pharmaceutical sales reps doctors are pressured by their patients and drug companies to be drug pushers.
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
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“Ask your doctor if fukitol is right for you” They hawk these drugs on TV but don’t say what they’re for!
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May 8th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
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Actually in the chemical business scrupulous managers wanted to water down the products and charge the same for them. So we called water “profitol”.
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May 8th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
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I hate those fucking commercials!
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they’re stoopid commercials suck.
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I was talking with a client today who informed me that he had “canadian friends who assure him we don’t want what they have” vis a vis health insurance.
I’m sure I looked at him as though he had two heads because he just stopped talking and walked away…….
I was kinda proud of myself for not ripping his head off and spitting down his neck…….he’s a client, after all!!!
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May 8th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
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I would have bit his head off for sure. It’s the grass is greener argument for some Canadians who say that want the US system. It’s usually those who could afford private healthcare. The fact is poll after poll Canadians prefer their system to ours. Now if he lived under the same system and someone would not sell him insurance he would sing a different tune for sure.
The other false part of the argument is what congress is proposing is not the Canadian system. If stupid trolls want to pay more they can buy private healthcare like they are now. But give us intelligent people who what affordable healthcare the choice of single payer public healthcare.
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
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You’re so right.
This was from a person who thinks Fox is a news channel. There was soooo much ground to cover, I didn’t have the time to begin!!!!
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
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Believe me I know what business people are like. I worked for over 20 years as a researcher in the chemical industry and the rationalizations these people make are maddening, especially in the south where I lived for the last 18 years.
The total bullshit part is Canadian business are more competitive BECAUSE of their national healthcare. A Canadian auto manufacturer has to pay only about $800/employee on healthcare where a US company pays about $6000/employee of healthcare and even taking slightly higher corporate taxes into account it’s a huge advantage for Canada.
These stooges are just part of the conservative orthodoxy that form their views based on ideology not reality.
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
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the shrinking access to health care coverage is yet another reason labor unions need to be empowered as well. telling a minimum wage employee that they can now purchase health insurance, when the premium would take almost their entire paycheck, isn’t exactly a benefit.
most of the costs of health insurance go into the bureaucracy. personally i have no plans to make an appointment with an actuary or an accountant when i have a broken bone, or need a prescription for a respiratory ailment. those are the people we need to cut out of the system. the payments they are making to doctors now are so low that many physicians are simply refusing to take a person’s insurance, because they will not pay the doctor enough to make ends meet. i have one physician who no longer accepts health care payments from ANY provider for just that very reason.
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
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Everything you said is so true. Making profits off of healthcare is pure blood money. The bureaucracy they create are just payoffs to hide the bigger perks they executive enjoy like their corporate jets.
There’s good news on that front actually. Specter and DiFi are going along with the EFCA after some alterations.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/feinstein-specter-comprom_b _200427.html
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
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Guys guys guys!
This is a subject on which I am under-informed. I can keep up with basic business speak and have some idea of the various models.
Why don’t the two of you conduct a tutorial? I don’t think there is much worth knowing that one or both of you does not know on the subject.
For instance, give me a compare/contrast of US, Canadian, Brit, German, French, Australian and Japanese systems.
Who is covered, how is it all paid for? What are the options? The quality of health care delivered? Any rationing of health care?
For exmple, my understanding is that the Germans treat HC as a utility. There are for-profit health care companies competing to sell HC, but their rates are regulated in order to give them a return of about six or seven percent.
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
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Yup there are many models out there from complete socialism to our crappy “system”. We should have a system that fits the beliefs of most Americans. On reason I supported Obama was because he saw that you cannot force single payer on everyone at least not in one step. The best options out there involve the public option and private option. So people that like their healthcare now can keep it and people that want to buy into the same healthcare congress enjoys can buy into that program.
The Germans have a great model to balance social needs and business needs and we should be studying that much more closely as a country.
Here is a good link describing most of the plans in congress.
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Content/Publications/Fund-Reports/2009 /Jan/An-Analysis-of-Leading-Congressional-Health-Care-Bills–2007-2008 –Part-I–Insurance-Coverage.aspx
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May 8th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
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There’s also the fact that American taxpayers pay more for health care than any other nation except Switzerland. We already pay for national health insurance, we just don’t get it.
Single-payer national health insurance is the only way to stop the outrageous costs with ever diminishing returns. Cover everyone. I have no problem with an interim solution that allows people to pay for private insurance if they want to.
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May 8th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
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Yup and if that crack is opened in the dam it will burst. That’s why the healthcare industry is so intent on fighting the public option that most Democrats are proposing.
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
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Yeah, they all come up with that same bullshit.
I’ve got family and friends in Canada—both my parents were born there. I’ve never run across anyone there who would trade their system for ours.
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
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That’s because we don’t have a healthcare system we have a profitcare system.
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
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Absolutely. It is simply immoral to make a profit above 6-7% selling HC.
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
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For sure. I don’t see how anyone can fail to be horrified by the US system.
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
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This is akin the “I have black friends” bs
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May 8th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
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Ha! No kidding.
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They’re pulling out the same old Harry and Louise crap that they did the last time the issue was on the table. Public opinion is against them this time, but they’re still going to do their damnedest to derail it.
Thankfully, Howard Dean is taking the lead in the fight, and we all need to get behind him. He’s going to need all the help he can get.
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May 8th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
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Damn right. No system is perfect, but Canada’s is a thousand times better than ours, even on its worst day.
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
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Actually it is an undefinable percentage better for people who don’t have access to any healthcare insurances because any number divided by ZERO cannot be determined.
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
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DO NOT DIVIDE BY ZERO!
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
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The link could not be found but that may have been your whole point.
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
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Hmm. No, I forget that some sites prevent hotlinking by checking the referrer header. I installed the RefControl Firefox add-on so the picture always loads. It tells the server that I’m coming from the root.
This is the picture I was linking.
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Will this go through?
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Don’t hold back. Tell us how you really feel.
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May 8th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
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LOL, I just couldn’t help it. This is the second time I see this ad and I can’t stand it. The fact that CNN is running that fucking ad just makes things worst
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May 8th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
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We should all be as outraged about this as we are about other issues. I personally really feel let down by the progressive community and the pundits like KO and Rachel. Sure talk about all the other issues but be silent about healthcare.
I hate to say it but the latte and egghead liberals have healthcare so they just don’t care as much about us little folks.
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May 8th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
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Yep
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May 8th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
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As the first in my family to go to college from a second generation blue collar Irish American family I’m part of both worlds. I’ve got the education and enjoyed the upper middle class life when I was working. But I’ll never forget my roots and keenly have been plunged down to the lower classes again because of my health. Like Edwards said there are two Americas and actually many many more Americas depending on you situation and I’ve lived in the two Edwards talked about. The president understands this fact as well because he has lived in both Americas as well but many of his base supporters do not.
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May 8th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
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I am completely hacked off about health insurance as well.
I feel that health care is a utility, and nobody should be making excess profits from it.
Me? I want the French system.
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
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totally agreed. they are ahead of us in so many ways.
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
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Me too. I don’t want to depend on me having a job to have health care. That makes no sense to me
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May 9th, 2009 at 12:28 am
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Great way to put it and so true.
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Oh well I guess enough attention has been paid to the healthcare issue a much more pressing issue has just come up on FRT.
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
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What, new emotacons?
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
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apparently for everyone, it seems.
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The other thing is my case is the poster child of why we pay or I should say why you pay the highest healthcare costs in the world.
Because I have no insurance, great doctors and an amazing wife who plead my case to the hospital my last ICD implant was totally FREE for ME. So all of these stupid trolls that are fighting universal healthcare don’t mind paying the highest healthcare costs in the world because our system is broken. I would much rather pay for my own healthcare coverage but they don’t want to give me access to healthcare insurance.
When over 47,000,000 people’s first office visit is the emergency room healthcare costs will NEVER, EVER go down.
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May 8th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
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BTW the cost to most of the rest of you folks for my office visits, lab work, procedure and ICD was over $40,000. So I thank you from the bottom of my heart for paying your high insurance premiums and other medial costs. I’m being sincere with my thanks but entirely snarky about the system that made this possible.
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May 8th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
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KQ – what is ICD implant? I’m not familiar with that procedure.
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May 8th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
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Interior cardio defibrillator. It paces my heart as well as stops “sudden death” which is the most dire consequence of my heart failure. I’m hovering between Class II and Class III heart failure now but I was in the more grave Class III the end of last year before the device was implanted. Unfortunately a chemo drug I took to survive Hodgkin’a Disease almost 15 years ago now really tore up my heart muscle. Fortunately two years after I was treated they changed the protocol so newer patients won’t have to suffer the same fate I did. Also fortunately I’m relatively young and my other organs have done well with my low rate of blood flow. The bottom line is my heart pumps at about one third the volume that it should for healthy people.
The only real long term possibilities for me is a heart transplant and there are amazing discoveries thanks to stem cell research that would be much less evasive. But alas without health insurance both those things are no options for me.
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May 8th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
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Health insurance. Electricity. Water. Gas.
Some things should NOT be profit driven and SHOULD be available to all citizens of our great country.
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May 8th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
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Absolutely.
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May 8th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
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Exactly these are things that should be provided to everything at the lowest expense possible per the preamble of the constitution because they promote the “general Welfare” of every citizen.
I had some troll the other night arguing with me that the preamble of the constitution does not “count” because it’s only a broad description when in fact the whole body of the Constitution and amendments are trying to support the vision expressed in the preamble.
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May 8th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
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Must have been one of them Strict Constructionists.
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May 8th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
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Horse shit by any other name is still horse shit….
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May 8th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
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We could actually call it a great country if those things were taken out of the profit system.
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May 8th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
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I almost said our “great” country, but I still think we’re head and shoulders above the rest…….that ain’t saying much, these days!!!!!
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Oh, thank goodness! when I saw the title, I thought “Here We Go Again”
Thank You, Miss Frenchy, for being SANE!!!!!
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May 8th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
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I thought that would capture more attention. This is what I learned in marketing strategy
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I look forward to your post missfrenchy, great and timely topic.
My mum-in-law is Canadian, and called last night after seeing one of those
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cuckoo ads ~ in a full-on justifiable snit. (she’s not quebecois, so rage comes
less often
We have to grassroots the living daylights out of this issue.
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May 8th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
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I was just talking to some clients today about it. We were also saying that we Californians are going to have to “grassroots the heck out of” the Gov campaign to keep DiFi out of that office. We’re all hoping Gavin is electable. It’s not going to be easy … but at least we are all still “on high” from the Presidential election
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May 8th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
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gavin or barbara lee. either would make a stunning senator. barbara lee has more integrity in her little finger than most politicians have in an entire room full of them. she’s amazing and fearless.
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May 9th, 2009 at 7:24 am
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I’m not familiar with Ms. Lee. I’ll do some reading on her.
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It is totally infuriating and bloody wrong. Canadians would not trade their healthcare system for the non-system in the US for any amount of money.
The only way to fight the lies is with the facts.
http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/76032/?page=1
Ironically the problem of course is that progressives are generally moral and fair people so we won’t lie and deceive to get what we want. Even in mythbusting with give all the facts about things like Canadian healhcare so on the surface the arguments look weaker.
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Patients’ rights my arse! The lies from the anti-healthcare mob are enough to give me a coronary. I’ve heard the Canadian system doesn’t work as well as some (like England or France f’rinstance) but it’s still miles ahead of the US debacle. Health non-care in the US is nothing short of criminal.
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May 8th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
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Hear, hear!!
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May 8th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
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That name is fucking infuriating too. I’m a fucking patient. Where is my right to get healthcare when private insurance will not fucking cover me?
Don’t get me going my ICD might go off.
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May 8th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
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Exactly, hence why this boils my blood. Yes, the Canadian system is not perfect but to use it as a way to defeat a legislation is uncalled for
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This group clearly is desperate to run a campaign of fear and stupidity! My problem is that there are those out there, here in the US, who will listen! and believe! How do we stop that? or counter for that matter. Twould be nice if someone from the canadian health care community would call them out, but diplomacy being what it is….probably not going to happen.
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May 8th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
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I would give anything to see the Canadian health care community fight back. I refuse to see them being use as a tool by those douchebags
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May 8th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
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me too missfrenchy, but I completely understand why they can’t or won’t. Still….it would be like hearing them say stfu! and that would be nice
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May 8th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
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ygm
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