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The Baucus Bill: Healthcare Reform the de Medici’s Would Embrace ~ Updated

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Plague_victims_blessed_by_priestHold onto your fedoras folks, Senator Max Baucus just released a “healthcare bill”.

There are significant points to ponder in this weighty PDF, the most noteworthy for me being that it is, quite unsurprisingly, sanz any mention of a public option. No whisper re the dire need to make healthcare a human right. Nary a nod to the need for a requisite guarantee that this “reform” isn’t in reality a couture-wrapped gift to the insurance gods.

The overall price tag comes in at a low low 856 billion USD. Apparently saving an estimated 14+% of the total hypothetical price tag was worth selling out to the Republicans to the esteemed Senators involved in these “three months of intense negotiations”. There is valid reason that the nature and actions of ‘gangs’ carry negative connotations.

It claims to aim for coverage for all Amurricans, and cost families a mere 13% of their yearly income. Dirt cheap, that. Proposing insurance exchanges/marketplaces be created state by state, the bill claims to therein lower overall costs via competion. I’m certain Aetna and BCBS are shaking in their handstitched Prada loafers.

Oh … by the way, it is meant to be a bipartisan masterpiece. Apparently, the designer label Bipartisan presently has a market value of 144 billion bucks.

The Washington Post offered the following article up earlier today.

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Baucus Introduces $856 Billion Health-Care Bill

By William Branigin and Lori Montgomery, Wednesday, Sep 16, 2009

baucusSenate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus unveiled an $856 billion health-care reform plan Wednesday that would require nearly all Americans to carry health insurance while barring insurance companies from discriminating against people based on their health status or denying coverage because of preexisting conditions.

The plan does not call for a government-run insurance option, as advocated by President Obama and most Democrats, but would set up a system of nonprofit consumer-owned cooperatives to compete with private insurers — a provision intended to appeal to Republicans who have railed against the “public option” in recent weeks.

Baucus (D-Mont.) released the plan aimed at overhauling America’s $2.5 trillion health care system ahead of a vote scheduled in the Finance Committee for next week.

“The cost of America’s broken health care system has stretched families, businesses and the economy too far for too long,” he said in a statement. “For too many, quality, affordable health care is simply out of reach. This is a unique moment in history where we can finally reach an objective so many of us have sought for so long.”

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I have yet seen no mention of the latest insurance travesty to come under liberal focus, the reprehensible fact that industry fat cats have deemed spousal abuse a preexisting condition. If you’re a woman that has been systematically beaten and broken via domestic abuse, prepare to add being battered by the healthcare industry to your schedule. Sarcasm aside, this is one of the most spurious, offensive policies to date by an industry exceedingly professional at creating demonic ways to gouge and oppress the populace.

Baucus just took to the cameras to tout his baby. Saying that it is fiscally responsible, and the result of great care to include honesty and many points of view. We must act now! We Must control costs! “This is a good bill. This is a balanced bill It can pass the Senate!”

I looked pointedly around the room, hoping like hell to see my state’s Senators, Bernie and Pat Leahy, standing by with cudgels and cuffs. I was disappointed.

I confess that one of my larger bents of curiosity is presently focused on the imagined reactions at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Is President Obama breathing a presidential sigh of relief that the Senate has at last given birth? Perchance Joe Biden can’t hold back a tear or two thinking of how Ted Kennedy would greet the arrival of this child, sired by an unholy alliance of Teabagging Nay Sayers and the ill bred Blue Dog Dems?

Perhaps Rahm Emmanuel will have located and decontaminated Cheney’s famed bunker in time for the entire West Wing to cache themselves away from the Bipartisan pitchfork brigade, sure to be led by an uber-irate Ed Schultz. Followed by a phalanx of armed and screeching Nine Twelvers, ginned up (but not captained by) an uber-hysterical Glenduh Beck.

patient-doctor-medievalAt this point, my disappointment in the Administration is surpassed by my sadness for the country as a whole. Blaming paid Astroturfers and DINO’s seems less pressing than the sorrow that we have come to this pass yet again: real healthcare reform gasps for air on the shore, while the warring sides aim shots at opposing bows and futilely thunder away any genuine hopes for change.

Meanwhile, the people they claim to represent and champion grow sicker. And weaker. And collectively poorer. And increasingly bitter. Is it truly any wonder that they resignedly turn to the comforts of righteous liberal anger, or guns ‘n religion?


I always love it when Howard Dean arrives in my Inbox with a rousing yell. He’s deemed the Baucus bill an “outrage”, with his usual finesse, and is renewing efforts to pump up grass roots support for a strong public option. Here’s a link to the latest petition, if you’re so inclined.


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  1. SiberianRat says:

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    Alright all, it’s 3am I’m off to a bath and hopefully to sleep. I broke the major rule of jet lag and took a “nap” this afternoon from 3pm to 9:30pm–too bad, because I was almost adjusted to the time. Anyway, I’ll be on more often I’m sure–catch up soon. Happy Friday! :-)

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  2. SiberianRat says:

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    I also just called John Boehner’s office and I’m pretty sure it was actually HIM I spoke to! The man who answered wouldn’t give me his name and the voice was dead on–how absolutely satisfying to express my views about his “participation” in the health care debate…

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  3. SiberianRat says:

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    Good evening from Russia! How has everyone been? Sorry I haven’t been on in a while…

    Anyway, did anyone catch Dylan Ratigan today? I just watched a segment online and I can’t believe it! I wasn’t much of a fan of his, but he just scored major points with me: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32910729#32912960

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    BeyondGoodAndEvil
      

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    Hey Rat! You missed our elections.

    Yeah, he does sometimes mention the crooks that are controlling Congress. And for that, he is one of the few.

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    SiberianRat
      

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    Oh no, what kind of elections did I miss?? Did the good guyz win? :-)

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    BeyondGoodAndEvil
      

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    You missed our FRT elections! Yes, the good guyz won, because there were no bad guyz.

    Check out these posts… These should update you re what’s been happening at FRT while you were away.
    http://freerangetalk.com/?cat=18

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    SiberianRat
      

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    Cool! I like it–seems like a good system…

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    BeyondGoodAndEvil
      

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    We like it. It’s very democratic.

    By the way, if you ever feel like authoring anything, forum me or any of the editors. :wave:

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    SiberianRat
      

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    Thanks! Yes, I would like to–gotta find a bit of time to do so… I’m watching the reaction here to the shift in missile defense. Russians are a suspicious lot: They didn’t trust the missile defense, but now they’re suspicious of why it’s been reversed! Maybe I can put something together on that, although I’ve got a very busy week coming up.

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    BeyondGoodAndEvil
      

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    No problem. It would be great to get a Russian perspective on U.S. foreign policy decisions.

    Maybe when you get a bit of spare time, and something inspires you, let us know. :-)

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    Babs
      

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    :wave: Good to see you back, Rat Boy!

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    SiberianRat
      

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    Nice to see you too, darlin! I didn’t end up going back to DC this summer–I definitely would have gotten in touch. I had planned to, but in the end I decided not to since it wasn’t 100% mandatory and I was tired of traveling.

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    hardybear
      

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    Good to see you, rodent of the near-Russian wilds … hope to catch your next pop-in. :wave:

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    SiberianRat
      

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    Thanks, HB! :-) I spent the summer in beautiful Colorado where I decided to enjoy fresh air, exercise, family, and peace of mind–the latter entailed a break from news, blogs, etc. I didn’t manage to avoid them altogether, but I was on the equivalent of a political starvation diet, which I’m promptly breaking upon returning to Russia.

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    kitkatborn
      

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    Thanks for the link, SR. How is the weather over there?

    One thing stood out for me. How dare they try to say that the President should move to the center right because that is where the country is. Where in the name of the Almighty did they get that from?

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    SiberianRat
      

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    The conservatives crap on about the country’s being “center right” which is not the case. I think it’s supposed to be nearly subliminal–if they keep saying it, people will believe it. I also just watched the clip with Orly Taitz–that woman is nuts! Dylan is a loudmouth, but he’s been socking it to these assclowns. He full-on shouted her down!

    The weather here is cool. I arrived back yesterday after a couple of days of meetings in Moscow (where it was surprisingly nice for this time of year) and we had a few snow flurries! Today was in the low 40s, but we’re gonna warm up into the 50s and 60s again for a few days.

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    kitkatborn
      

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    He also showed a copy of the birth certificate And she still kept trying to deny it. I think she is certifiable.

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    SiberianRat
      

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    Did you see those absurd documents she made a few weeks back which were supposed to be his birth certificates from Kenya? Unfortunately, the woman is so stupid that she screwed up the geography twice as well as names, etc.

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    BeyondGoodAndEvil
      

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    Russian born, too. I find it ironic that someone with such a heavy accent is accusing the Prez of being a furrehner.

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    SiberianRat
      

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    No kidding. She does have a strong Russian accent, although she’s Moldovan, I think–was all USSR though at that time. In any case, it’s hard to resist pointing that out, although she has the right to be as stupid and vocal as she wants, I guess. I fault the media even more than her though since they LOVE to cover people like her.

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    kitkatborn
      

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    Yeah, that was a trip. Especially since I have GOP’s in my family. I was holding my breath for fear we would have a fight.

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    SiberianRat
      

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    I have several GOPs in my family too, some of whom have held quite high positions in government; however, I’m happy to say while I don’t agree with them politically, they’re not neocons or wackos–they’re more Reagan conservatives.

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    kitkatborn
      

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    Back in the primaries when the burfer thing first surfaced, my sister was a believer. I still haven’t been able to ask her about it for fear I would laugh i face. Bless her heart.

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  4. luvobama says:

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    Is everyone asleep?? for the love of gawd..

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  5. GypsyRose says:

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    Hm, no thanks, I’m gonna stick with my Voodoo doctor. So far, so good. As long as I can supply the goats, I stay healthy. Can’t ask for more than that. Apparently.

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    suzycolorado
      

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    I thought i was the Woowoo around here :P

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    BeyondGoodAndEvil
      

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    Hey Woo Woo!!!!! :wave:

    Hiya!

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    suzycolorado
      

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    Forum Smileys

    Hi there

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    BeyondGoodAndEvil
      

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    How’s my favorite woowoo?

    Innocent Smileys

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    suzycolorado
      

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    I’m sick in bed but getting a little stir-crazy. Man coffee can mask a lot of symptoms. :cafe: :lol:

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    kellygrrrl
      

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    hey SuzyWooWoo. Feeling any better? the Pig Flew?

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    suzycolorado
      

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    No, the Pig stayed earthborn. It’s just a really nasty sinus/headcold thingie. Blech. Hopefully it will be gone soon. We have the great last music festival of the Summer season here, Blues and Brews. I have to get at least one day out of my VIP pass. Dayum!

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    suzycolorado
      

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    I think i meant earthbound. My head is foggy :crazy:

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    BeyondGoodAndEvil
      

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    Are you sick? Sorry to hear that.
    Caffeine is a great drug!

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  6. Culturemaven says:

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4&eurl

    I can’t remember the instructions for embedding. You’ll just have to click.

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  7. Culturemaven says:

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    I went to the doctor the other day for a checkup. Our insurance is private, so I pay cash and get a 20% discount. I’m used to questioning the need for various tests & asking for pharmaceutical samples & getting scrips for generics. Drug coverage is virtually nil. So, my checkups are usually every 18 mos, not 12 mos.
    After waiting an hour and a half to get seen, my doctor apologized and said, “Honestly, my appointments are taking longer because people are coming in with vague stress symptoms that are difficult to treat medically. They say, I’m not sleeping well, I’m tired, I’m worried. It’s all about the economy. People are literally worried sick about their finances. And they tell me this, and I think, well, what do you want me to do? I can write a prescription for a sleeping pill or anti-anxiety medication or recommend counseling, but…?” These are people that haven’t had to worry like this before. They live in Del Mar, life has been pretty nice up till now. And they can’t cope and they’re heading to the doctor for a cure. I wonder if they have any sympathy for those folks who are suffering even more and who don’t have insurance and can’t go to a doctor to get Xanax or Ambien?
    Anyway, I thought it was interesting to hear that this is happening.

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    SurferKit
      

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    Whoa. I had a similar conversation with the primary care physician I’ve seen for about 25 years. He’s a friend of the family so I know him personally as well as medically. :wink: He said people were coming in with financially related worry stress and were so upset they couldn’t handle the setbacks.

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    Culturemaven
      

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    What do you want to bet that this is a quiet epidemic? I’m sure we’ll see an article on this very thing in Time magazine soon. Unless one of us can break the story first?
    Questinia? Is there a doctor in the house??

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    kitkatborn
      

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    It is an epidemic. I know my blood pressure goes up if I even think about money woes.

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  8. SurferKit says:

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    I’m certain someone has posted this link before but in the event there are people out there passing by who haven’t seen the video at the Sick For Profit
    web site, it’s worth a re-post.

    After watching the video at the above site, I wonder how people can call themselves compassionate conservatives knowing the health insurance companies get rich by denying claims and people die. Yes, they die. How the teabaggers, etc. defend this type of greed is something I simply do not understand.

    To round out my attitude about the crappy legislation Baucus submitted to the public, there is the touching story of Eric De La Cruz told by his sister, Veronica, which showcases the fact that if you get sick in this country and become disabled, you better be lucky enough to get social security to approve your claim. If not, you are pretty much screwed. To get sick today even with “coverage,” which you pay for monthly, the cost of “care” is rising so fast, you better be one of those fabulously wealthy individuals who marched on D.C. Saturday. Otherwise, you could end up like Eric De La Cruz.

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    SurferKit
      

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    Hmmmmmm, my links didn’t work. I’ll try again:

    http://sickforprofit.com/

    Here’s the Eric De La Cruz story:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/health/01well.html?_r=1

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    Culturemaven
      

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    I am not surprised at all by the lifestyles of the rich and infamous insurance & health care industry execs. Last year, as the economy was imploding, I saw limo after limo pull up to the 5 star luxury hotel near me. I asked the girl in the coffee shop what was up and she said it was Kaiser Hospital bigwigs who were finishing up their 3-4 day shindig.
    I understand that the event was planned before the economy got so horrible, but that still demonstrates the level of luxury and pampering they treat as normal.
    And my elderly mom has to jump through hoops for every little frickin’ thing at Kaiser. Makes my blood boil.

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    SurferKit
      

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    Exactly. Their profits soar while people scrap by to pay their premiums and then don’t what they need from the policy. Some policies won’t even pay for certain “high profile” prescriptions.

    Moveon is trying to organize a Sick of Big Insurance Rally across the country on 9/22. Unfortunately, they don’t seem to be getting a decent kind of turnout.

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    kitkatborn
      

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    Probably because the ones who would go to such a rally can’t afford it.

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  9. Questinia says:

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    Only skimming this aesthetically beautiful article for now!
    I’m wondering what non-profit means. Does it mean returning to the insurance plans of yore (before my time), when there was an eighty-twenty split between insurance coverage and what pt’s were responsible for? Because that system appeared to work in those days, not sure how it would fare today.
    However it was an arrangement MD’s appeared to be content with. n those days.

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    Culturemaven
      

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    Hi Questinia! My doctor just wrote me a prescription for 60 Ambien, so I suppose I don’t need to be so damned nice to you anymore.
    Smileys

    Smileys

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    Questinia
      

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    Taking 2 at night, huh? Hmmm. Well, I’d say that first smilie is gonna be getting pretty close the truth. :wink:

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    luvobama
      

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    I just want to add this, You kids are on drugs? Great. I am fucked.

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    suzycolorado
      

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    Hahahahah. The Luvo bandit strikes again! :lol:

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    suzycolorado
      

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    It’s because you don’t go out long enough without your sunglasses. Your body isn’t producing enough melatonin. That’s why you need sleeping pills.
    :nana:

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    BeyondGoodAndEvil
      

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    She’s better off just taking melatonin, rather than Ambien. That cr@p’s bad for you. It also makes people sleepwalk.

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    suzycolorado
      

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    I know sooooo many people who take ambien. It’s like aspirin now.

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    Culturemaven
      

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    I do take melatonin for the most part. Every so often, though, I will go through a wicked bout of insomnia. I am exhausted & can’t function without sleep… so I take ambien for a night or two to get back into rhythm. I don’t sleep well when I travel, either.
    I asked for a large amount just so I wouldn’t have to go to the pharmacy again (it’s not close). Hubby also takes one occasionally, shhhh!
    So there. No worries, I am not taking two a night, every night, sleepwalking around the ‘hood.

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    suzycolorado
      

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    CM, when i was first diagnosed with thyroid disease my adrenals were in complete failure. I hadn’t slept through the night for 4-5 years after i had my second child. I took lunesta for a few months to bank some sleep and get back into some kind of sleep mode. I still haven’t slept through the night but i’ve come close a few times. I still hang on to that last bottle of lunesta just in case i need it. So, no judgement here. Melatonin works great for me also too now!

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    I’ve met Max Baucus and you would do well to keep at least one hand on your wallet at all times if you do so. Corruption blanches at the association.

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    BeyondGoodAndEvil
      

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    LMAO! Yeah, well that’s DLCers for you.

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    EspritDeVoltaire
      

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    Sadly enough, this is a guy who wears “Buy Me” like a badge.

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    By the way, apparently Rahm threatened progressive Dems that if they did anything to harm the bluedogs in this healthcare bill fight, he would see to it to raise money against sitting Dem progressives for challengers in 2010.

    WTF?

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    Did anyone hear Olympia Snowe complaining about the Baucus Bill?

    She’s out of her gourd.

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  13. MCMetal says:

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    I sure hope Baucus saved time and money on this bill and penned it using toilet paper ………….Because (only) then would it be worth something…………

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  14. Babs says:

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    This from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities:

    Unfortunately, the plan falls short in the subsidies it provides to help low- and moderate-income people afford health coverage and out-of-pocket costs. That could leave many people who are eligible for subsidies facing fairly steep insurance premiums and cost-sharing charges they could have difficulty affording. (Read http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2922)

    Also problematic is the plan’s “free rider” provision, which would require employers who do not offer health coverage to pay substantial amounts for low- and moderate-income employees who receive subsidies to buy coverage in a health insurance exchange — but not to pay anything for employees who do not get subsidies. (It also would require employers who do offer coverage to pay if some of their workers receive subsidies because the employers’ coverage is not considered affordable for them.) And by requiring employers to pay extremely large amounts for hiring individuals who receive subsidies for family coverage in the exchange, the provision would make it harder for some lower-income parents with children to find jobs. This provision also would place significant administrative burdens and costs on employers because it would be complex to administer. (Read: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2921)

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    hardybear
      

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    Thanks for the extra ammunition, Babs. I hope the low-info public looks at these details, particularly if they profess to be on the side of the regular amurrican.

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    CaliforniaJake
      

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    The bill has so many problems, if I were Baucus I’d be ashamed to have released this to the public. But that’s just me.

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  15. SupremeIdiot says:

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    I love it. CO-OPs of the same insurance companies that have raped the system are now going to miraculously save it……are they out of their fucking minds?

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    hardybear
      

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    In a word, yes.

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  16. kellygrrrl says:

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    Billionaires for Wealthcare!!!!!

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  17. kellygrrrl says:

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    what I find most disturbing about the Teabaggers is that they say they want their country back in the hands of The People, yet everything they do and say only serves to further push America into the hands of the Corporations and CEOs

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    hardybear
      

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    Isn’t that incredibly ironic?

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    kellygrrrl
      

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    The Teabaggers, more than anyone, should be embracing Michael Moore’s new movie “Capitalism: a love story”

    sadly, I’m guessing that won’t happen.

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    Agreed on the spurious despicable policy Baucus submitted, I called it a POS that needs to be shredded. What a waste of paper.

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  19. Culturemaven says:

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    Hardybear, let me be the first to point out that the illustrations are brilliant! Thank you for capturing the anger and frustration so many of us are feeling right now.

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    MontanaHome
      

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    Oh – agreed on the illustrations — nice touch, hb.

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    hardybear
      

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    Thanks guys, medieval art is a real passion of mine.

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    BeyondGoodAndEvil
      

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    Ditto on that.

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    kellygrrrl
      

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    Indeed! Madam Bear is always brilliant with the artwork — including her crafty little fixation with Smileys this week.

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  20. MontanaHome says:

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    Excellent post, bear. This is such a disappointment – if it goes through (the battle isn’t over yet).

    Our representative out here in NE Indiana (Mark Souder – you know – the guy who wanted to replace Roosevelt on the dime with Reagan?) just called Obama a “liar” and a “bully” in regards to health care (front page of paper this morning). There is so much misinformation out there – and Dems aren’t helping. They’re caving in to the fear.

    Like BGE said – MB’s bill isn’t health care reform.

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  21. kitkatborn says:

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    Where are people in low-paying jobs supposed to get the 13% minimum payment, pray tell.

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    This bill really is a gift to the insurance/healthcare industry.

    I am particularly incensed that it came out of the Finance Committee.

    Hopefully it won’t be the bill that ends up before the president, because if the White House is satisfied by this bill, then healthcare reform will be nothing more but a legal way to funnel more money into the insurance industry’s pockets.

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    kellygrrrl
      

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    Michael Moore’s movie is looking more and more like MANDATORY VIEWING by the minute.

    between this bill and the gift the SCOTUS is about to hand to the corporations — er, excuse me — I mean, “individuals” CORPORATE AMERICA, INC. is pretty much completely solidified.

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    BeyondGoodAndEvil
      

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    Yeah. I read somewhere he might be done with documentaries for good. I still can’t get over how America is the only country in the world that gives corporations the legal status of individuals.

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    kellygrrrl
      

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    I think MM feels he is:

    A) preaching to the choir
    B) banging his head against a wall

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    hardybear
      

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    I Know! Luv the fellow who called it an insurance industry profiteering bill … like they need a handout.

    Sure, keep the government outta’ your healthcare picture ~ and give the insurance magnates more money and more room in bed.

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    BeyondGoodAndEvil
      

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    And fining people who can’t afford insurance?

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    hardybear
      

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    Most definitely that.

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    BeyondGoodAndEvil
      

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    That’s the hardest thing for me to swallow in this bill, because the poor and the working poor are already under so much pressure.

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