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1. GypsyRose says:

   December 16, 2009 at 9:46 pm

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   I just read this a couple of minutes ago:

   http://abcnews.go.com/WN/obama-talks-abc-news-charles-gibson-health-ca re/story?id=9346728

   Like Elvis, I’m All Shook Up:

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqsX7xQWRoU

   Help! Hahahaha…

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2. zoozey says:

   December 16, 2009 at 2:16 pm

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   I want a decent bill, or no bill at at all. Haven’t read what is still in there, so I can’t comment fully. But to just throw something–anything–out there, would be bad. We need immediate catastrophic coverage now. No one whould have to be afraid to go to the ER if they are having chest pains–for fear that they will need surgery. No one should have to forego life-saving chemo because they can’t afford it. No one should have to go bankrupt because they DID decide to save his’her own life by running up credit card bills paying for it.

   No ifs, ands, or buts. If they had started with catastrophic coverage, we would have it by now. Worry about the other things later. If someone knew that they would get the catastrophic care paid for, I am sure they wouldn’t mind springing for the $50 office visit. Most ins. co. have a huge deductable for private plans anyhow. Most people just want to know they are covered in an emergency, long-haul situation.

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   zoozey
   December 16th, 2009 at 2:35 pm   

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   How do we pay for “my” plan? Tax the hell out of the things that contribute to some catastrophes: cigarettes, fatty foods, empty filler foods. Yes, I know that poor people have to buy THOSE foods because they are cheaper. That’s the point. Make the healthier foods cheaper. There is no reason why my soy milk has to cost an arm and a leg. There is no reason that yogurt is much more expensive than jello and pudding. The list goes on and on. If the “bad” foods were the expensive food, then manufacturers would have to work their butts off finding ways to process the foods so that they are NOT on the list that gets the hell taxed out of them. If their white bread is more expensive than the whole wheat one, I guarantee people will start buying the wheat one. Get those cereal manufacturers that market to the kids to think twice about the empty fillers.

   Talk it up with the farmers. Change the frame of mind that exists. Good=cheaper.

   Make marijuana legal and tax the hell out of it.

   I know it’s not as simple as I make it sound. A policy person would have a field day with the zoozey-plan, but they have a field day with any plan.

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   kitkatborn
   December 16th, 2009 at 6:42 pm   

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   I like it, Zo.

   Look y’all, I’m just as pissed off as the rest of the knowledgeable people are, but I also know that this, if it survives more sharp knife work is at least a start. To go back to square one would take another 10 years of deaths and bankruptcies that we can’t afford. The one bit of news that I find good is, they can’t blame failure on the public option. A weakened public option would have been a disaster.

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   zoozey
   December 16th, 2009 at 6:52 pm   

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   True that.

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3. EspritDeVoltaire says:

   December 16, 2009 at 11:21 am

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   “Looked at from the narrow lens of health care policy, there is a reasonable debate to be had among reform advocates over whether this bill is a net benefit or a net harm. But the idea that the White House did what it could to ensure the inclusion of progressive provisions — or that they were powerless to do anything about it — is absurd on its face. Whatever else is true, the overwhelming evidence points to exactly what Sen. Feingold said yesterday: “This bill appears to be legislation that the president wanted in the first place.”" – Glenn Greenwald

   http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2009/12/16/white_hou se/index.html

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   BeyondGoodAndEvil
   December 16th, 2009 at 11:26 am   

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   Great piece.

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